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The Biggest Problem in the Paranormal Field

Posted by Dan Jungles on November 1, 2009 at 11:15 PM

     Why do certain people and groups always feel it a need to worry about what other individuals and organizations are doing? Is an honest curiosity? Are they interested in learning something from them? Do they have something to contribute to the organization? I seriously doubt if any of these are the answers.

     Being in the paranormal field for about eight years, I have seen and experienced a lot of different things. The one thing that I have noticed that is common, whether if you are in Illinois or anywhere else in the country or even the world is that there is a great deal of bitterness, jealousy and hatred in the paranormal field. I personally have never understood this. It seems like when one individual or organization is able to capture actual evidence from a location, there is another group trying to say it is fake or trying to debunk it. I do not necessarily have a problem with analyzing evidence, but there are some individuals who automatically will say that everything certain individuals or organizations present as evidence is faked or garbage. When people in the paranormal field are recognized by the media or other outlets, these people spew more hatred and resentment. I personally know individuals and organization throughout the world and this is a common problem in the paranormal field.

     There has been members from the Will County Ghost Hunters Society who have either left on their own or who have been asked to leave the group that carry animosity for this organization. They are constantly worried about what the WCGHS is doing. Evidence that was collected while they were members of the WCGHS and debunked is now evidence of the paranormal. I am glad that they have lowered their standards of what they accept as paranormal. Living people that are photographed on the staircase of a home that was proven by not one, but by two time stamped DVR cameras is now an apparition? Sorry, but a badly angled photo is not evidence. When you place your finger in front of the camera lens, this is not a ghost either. When you constantly talk during EVP sessions, this is not ghosts either. Well, maybe it is if they telling you to shut the hell up.

     Then, there are individuals from other organizations that have never been on an investigation with the Will County Ghost Hunters Society, and do not know us, yet, they hate us. Why? Is it because we have actually had success on our investigations? Is it because we are constantly doing investigations, events, and are asked by the media to be featured in their formats? It seems like no matter whom you are, that certain people will spew their hatred towards you unless you’re one of them.

     In recent months, the Will County Ghost Hunters Society has done a number of speaking events. We were informed by one of the library that a certain person from another group in the area called the library and complained that we were booked for the speaking event. They claim it was not fair that the WCGHS speaks at the two local libraries, that they should have the opportunity to do at least one. Well, the representative from the library said that the organization blew any chances they had in the future to do any events with them. It showed her their lack of professionalism. I have had similar conversations with several reporters recently. We do not solicit the media or any place for speaking events, they find us. We actually have real evidence on our website.

     Then, there are individuals from other groups that have the gull to show their faces at our meetings. Not just showing up, but showing up wearing crappy t shirts promoting their groups. When they are asked to leave, they act surprised. Isn’t what they are looking for, a reaction? They are not members of the WCGHS. They are not interested in becoming members. They don’t even want to have a joint investigation. So, are they there? To see what we are up to? Maybe they can call the next speaking event and cry how unfair it is. Or is it to call the next member of the media that plans on featuring us. Maybe they want to try to snake another investigation lead. Maybe, they cannot find anyone who wants to join their group of complainers, so they came to recruit. Whatever reason they have it does not benefit the Will County Ghost Hunters Society and its members. The ejected individuals then tried to plead their cases with the librarians. Claiming they have a right to be there because it is in a library. Well, they are wrong and were told so. Even the librarians do not want to hear their pathetic whines. To top it all off, they have the nerve to leave garbage on the windshields of the cars parked in the parking lot. Sorry, but a business card with a skull on it? Come one guys, really? Is that the image of a professional ghost hunting organization? I doubt a homeowner wants to see something like that. I know the staff at the library wasn’t too happy seeing them on their window shields and all the discarded ones on the ground. There’s a reason why people were are the meeting and that is to join a professional ghost hunting organization.

     My suggestion to all those in the paranormal field, is simply worry about yourself. If people would spend even a fraction of the time and effort of researching and conducting investigations, as they do with worrying about what other people and individuals are doing they might just accomplish something. Be happy when other individuals and groups gather evidence. It proves exactly what you are trying to do yourselves.

 

With that I will let this R.I.P.,

Dan Jungles

Director/Lead Investigator

Will County Ghost Hunters Society

www.aghostpage.com

Categories: Problems with Ghost Hunting

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27 Comments

Reply Nightquest
3:45 PM on December 23, 2011 
Bigfoot, UFO's, Loch ness Monster, Ghosts, Poltergeist's. All paranormal and all competed for, for the honor of getting the evidence of the "mother load" as it were. Along this path, racing to outdo the others out there in the same field are those individuals and groups who make it a standard to attack other groups and people. Jealousy, Antagonism, Fear, Ignorance and the desire to finish first and the need for attention. All of these I feel are fed and dominated by ego's and degrees of low self esteem. As long as a person or group conducts themselves professionally with the same goal in mind and act as a unit, the detractors whether they be another group or an individual cannot tear down the group nor the field of study. I see videos on You tube all the time that at first glance seem to good to be real and others that I would consider genuine and it amazes me how much some people have to attack all the evidence. Some video's admittedly are entertaining to a point while others seem designed to negate the field of study just as much as the comments.

There are some pictures and video's on this site I have reservations about and would find out more about them before I would make any kind of comment. Attacking evidence and those that gather it also seems to be an occupation with some people who maybe spend their lives living within a negative sphere and desire to share it all around.

I guess what I'm saying is counter your detractors with a professional state of mind and superior attitude, let the fools follow the winds and keep the faith for what you do. Eventually the attackers are seen for what they are. Negligible and bitter for many different reasons we won't change by falling into the traps they set for the other more serious of us to trip us up. As my grandfather used to say. "Some people aren't smart enough to be stupid".
Reply Blake Hall
7:11 PM on July 2, 2011 
April Abercrombie says...
To Add:
Pleaase just everyone quit spending so much time worrying about what everyone else is doing, and instead worry more about how they can make their own teams better.

To each his own and until this field has been proven, there is no right or wrong.


I would agree that is a sound sentiment for any research paranormal or otherwise.
Reply Amanda
2:18 PM on December 24, 2009 
It doesn't really seem to matter what subject you are advocating there are always going to be people who will try to keep you down. With success comes criticisim and the more succussful you are the harsher the criticisim will be. I agree with most everyone here who said it is a jealousy thing. As hard as it is sometimes the only thing left to do is just laugh, laugh at their stupidity, laugh because you know what you do is right and fair, and laugh because it is a way to heal yourself from lashing out at them in a hateful manner. I have talked with Dan thru another site for a while now and I think what Will County Ghost Hunters does is awesome. So hold your heads up high and let them continue to make fools of themselves and you keep doing a good job.
Reply ghosthunter
9:36 AM on December 20, 2009 
Ditto Dr Bob
Reply Bob Newman
12:11 AM on December 20, 2009 
It's called being jealous of others success. I don't care what excuses you come up with, and make statements like why would we be jealous of Will County Ghost Hunters, you prove that point every time you make a hate filled post on a website, every time you show up at a meeting that you know you have no business being at. I am sure if you were interested in offering input into investigations or evidence Dan and his staff would have no problems at all speaking with you and letting you share in events.

If these other groups we truly interested in advancing Paranormal research and giving credit to the Paranormal field, they would drop this immature garbage and work with anyone that will listen and advance our craft.

I find the success of Will County Ghost Hunters to be most noteworthy and I feel honored to have associated with Dan and his staff. They have shown me nothing but the up most professionalism.

Dr. Bob Newman
Reply George
10:30 PM on November 11, 2009 
What Dan has experienced is sadly what a lot of us have encountered and endured. But if we maintain professionalism and ethics in our work those that attempt to slander will always look like the juvenile malicious idiots that they are.

I made a presentation at a paranormal research symposium in North Carolina this past weekend, and with Dan's permission used a quote from this blog to demonstrate why there needs to be better ethics and professionalism in our field. Some have said it will never change, but I have to believe we can make a difference. To that end, there is an association that was started late last year to promote professionalism and ethics in addition to providing other benefits to member organizations. This is not a sales pitch, just a request that if you believe as we do, that you consider joining us. Here's a link to the webpage - www.paranormal-resource-alliance.com. You can contact us directly for more info - note on the webpage the membership fees are incorrect - they are $20/year not $50 - we just dropped them as a result of the economic times we are in. I hope every group will think about what has happened and work with us to improve the paranormal investigation and research field!

I wish Dan well in working through this mess. I'm certain he will prevail, maybe its just the good karma from him!!!
Reply ghosthunter
8:25 AM on November 10, 2009 
what a bunch of hockey puck.( could use stronger words but i am not) Sigh* sad isnt it Dan that you have to go this far?Sometimes its the only way to stop such stalking . thats what it is . they refuse to let you alone.Good Luck. They need to leave you and WCGHS alone.
Reply Dan Jungles
12:13 AM on November 10, 2009 
It seems like certain people who like to continue to run their mouths. They have chose to slander my name and personal life, and now I have no choice, but to now make it personal with them. I will not stoop to their low level. I cannot believe how idiotic these people are to post the slanderous comments on blogs and on the ?radio show?, where people can publicly read this. Some of the things that they believe are private, well are not. You can say I have my own ?spies.? They can panic and remove them, but it is too late already, they have already been printed. The radio show already recorded. Now, I will not slander them, they do a good enough job of that on their own. So, now I will get into their personal lives. I have hired a lawyer, who will be filing a defamation of character and slander lawsuit against each of these people. We do know where they work and their employers will be receiving copies of the information as well. I personally do not think a police officer should be on the internet slandering people the way he has. Should a court clerk be doing this? Again, the answer is no. I do not think that even a purchasing agent should be doing it. I will not continue to run the jobs down, but these people have to understand that there are consequences to their actions. If they think it is a bluff, they will see soon enough that it is not. Maybe they can all hire the same lawyer. They claim they are all in the field to investigate the paranormal, seems like they are just using their time to slander people.
Reply alepfounder
8:32 AM on November 9, 2009 
As The Founder Of At Lights End Paranormal And The Group Thats Website Got Hacked By This Group That Mr. Jungles Mentions About In His Comments. I totally Agree With Mr. Jungles. I Feel it's Mainly Jealousy. Also I feel That Instead Of All The Time They Took To Do The Bashing, Slandering, And Hacking This Certain Group Does. They Should Invest More Of Their TIme In finding The Truth Out
Reply Bethany Cagle
10:07 AM on November 4, 2009 
Very interesting post. I believe people condemn other groups like yours for this simple fact. People will always fear what they do not understand. Their are only two ways of dealing with that fear. Pretend it doesn't exist by calling the investigators sharlatons and liars. Or, by opening your eyes and learning what does exist. Knowledge is a powerful warrior against the unknown.
I've enjoyed browsing your site and will be back!

Bethany Cagle
http://brynnacurrybriannaroarkebooks.webs.com
Reply Shari
7:10 PM on November 3, 2009 
Obviously, the "drama" wasn't created by Dan, which has been proven by comments posted by and from others in the field who feel the same way. If Dan was off the mark, obviously there wouldn't be so many people saying "I feel the same way" or "I've had the same experience," etc.

I do not know Dan, we've never met and I am not a member of the WCGHS. I have been out with several groups, have met people in many more. I have no stake or personal gain/loss in supporting him or his group.

As I have said in other postings: I've found this to be a great group. I have not heard anything on the group talking anyone else down, by name or by insinuation. This group deals with what it is doing in the field and discusses theories, ideas, possibilities and opinions in this field in only the most positive of lights. Otherwise, I wouldn't be here.

Dan is right in what he is talking about and, although it exists in most professions and most industries and hobbies, what he is dealing with is the one where his reputation and insterests lay. He has every right to spout off - I think it shows true professionalism that he DOESN'T name names in doing so - and I applaud his decision to pursue those who violate his reputation, web site and business (as such) through legal means. I sincerely hope he follows through with that. All businesses and professional organizations do.

Shari
Reply ratman
6:09 PM on November 3, 2009 
The one thing every one has to remember is that its Dans group. He can invite or dis invite anyone he sees fit if some one got there nose bent because there behavior or attitude or methodology wasnt up to Dans standards tough noogies then I guess the behavior they are presently exhibitting is prime example and reason enough for Dan to dump them if they all go off and start another group good for us then we will not be plagued by them on actual investigations. Also do not forget that the groups that get it right in the first place are the ones that get attacked by the groups that dont because they are blinded by jealousy,bitterness or just plain assinine stupidity Im with Dan on this and I look forward to being part of a group that has these kinds of standards
Reply ghosthunter
4:47 PM on November 3, 2009 
Dan . i agree totally with your last comment . heck i agree with all of them. if you have an email addy from all of the nasty uncalled for comments then you can find if they came from the same area. windycityghost is my name . Research and invesitgating is my game!!
Cherie
Reply ghosthunter
4:45 PM on November 3, 2009 
Dan Jungles says...
I would totally disagree. I did not attack anyone. I did not lower myself to name names. I have had these individuals post slanderous statements on this website as well as others. They have told numerous people nothing but lies. I am sorry, but I do not create drama, it was created by someone else and I am sick of it. I will no longer tolerate it. I will now take anything that slanders me, my members, or my group to the police department and file a harassment complaint. I did forget to mention that these trouble makers also feel it is acceptable to hake into other group?s websites and slander them by changing the entire site into a joke. Right around this same time someone attempted to hack into the WCGHS website, I wonder who that was? I am working with the server to get the ip address for the computer that was used and will pursue the individual criminally. So, it is not us that have created this drama. All the materials on this website are copyrighted, including this blog. I will file a lawsuit to keep the materials we have worked so hard for from being used by other individuals, especially in careless ways. Anything posted on the internet has the ip address recorded. Like I have said I have chosen not to tolerate it anymore, and will pursue these individuals legally. If they do not care for me, then that is fine. If they do not agree with the techniques or the evidence the WCGHS has presented, then that is fine. However, it does not call for slanderous comments. I do not necessarily agree with them or care for them. However, I do not go onto their website and post ignorant comments. I do not show up to their meetings. Why? Maybe it is because I do not care what they are doing or maybe because I do not have the time in my life to waste. I have a job, a family and my own group to worry about. Matter of fact that is exactly the reason. I have far too much going on in my life to deal with this type of bs that others have choose to create. Anything posted on the internet has the ip address recorded. Like I have said I have chosen not to tolerate it anymore. I do not think others will tolerate it much longer either. Maybe when these people have to answer in court then they will stop with their ignorant ways.
Reply Dan Jungles
3:50 PM on November 3, 2009 
Rasa says...
Dan, I have to say I was looking for a group to consider joining . After reading your blog I have to say what drama!! To put all of your rants and raves on this blog in my opinion is very unprofessional. This should be something for a chat, a private chat. Are we all not suppose to be learning something about the field together? Learn from one another? It is sad to see this . I know there is drama everywhere , but this definately sounds like a personal attack, not about problems with ghost hunting. I will continue my search .


I would totally disagree. I did not attack anyone. I did not lower myself to name names. I have had these individuals post slanderous statements on this website as well as others. They have told numerous people nothing but lies. I am sorry, but I do not create drama, it was created by someone else and I am sick of it. I will no longer tolerate it. I will now take anything that slanders me, my members, or my group to the police department and file a harassment complaint. I did forget to mention that these trouble makers also feel it is acceptable to hake into other group?s websites and slander them by changing the entire site into a joke. Right around this same time someone attempted to hack into the WCGHS website, I wonder who that was? I am working with the server to get the ip address for the computer that was used and will pursue the individual criminally. So, it is not us that have created this drama. All the materials on this website are copyrighted, including this blog. I will file a lawsuit to keep the materials we have worked so hard for from being used by other individuals, especially in careless ways. Anything posted on the internet has the ip address recorded. Like I have said I have chosen not to tolerate it anymore, and will pursue these individuals legally. If they do not care for me, then that is fine. If they do not agree with the techniques or the evidence the WCGHS has presented, then that is fine. However, it does not call for slanderous comments. I do not necessarily agree with them or care for them. However, I do not go onto their website and post ignorant comments. I do not show up to their meetings. Why? Maybe it is because I do not care what they are doing or maybe because I do not have the time in my life to waste. I have a job, a family and my own group to worry about. Matter of fact that is exactly the reason. I have far too much going on in my life to deal with this type of bs that others have choose to create. Anything posted on the internet has the ip address recorded. Like I have said I have chosen not to tolerate it anymore. I do not think others will tolerate it much longer either. Maybe when these people have to answer in court then they will stop with their ignorant ways.
Reply Rasa
6:58 AM on November 3, 2009 
Dan, I have to say I was looking for a group to consider joining . After reading your blog I have to say what drama!! To put all of your rants and raves on this blog in my opinion is very unprofessional. This should be something for a chat, a private chat. Are we all not suppose to be learning something about the field together? Learn from one another? It is sad to see this . I know there is drama everywhere , but this definately sounds like a personal attack, not about problems with ghost hunting. I will continue my search .
Reply Pat Fitzhugh
6:46 PM on November 2, 2009 
As one poster so aptly put it, "this is an unregulated field." The lack of a universal code of ethics and professional conduct makes this field a chaotic, free-for-all, where those with self-serving intentions reflect badly on the field as a whole.

Another problem is the field's "come one, come all" image, where anyone with "any" level of knowledge, personal responsibility, or self-control can join a group with a moment's notice and jump into an investigation the following night. The field's openness isn't always a bad thing, but it has the potential to be. Most "recognized" professions, which are regulated by governing bodies, do a thorough character and background check before admitting someone to their profession.

Don't get me wrong--I don't advocate such checks for the paranormal field--I just want to point out that we shouldn't expect everyone in the field to be on the same page, professionally or personally (although it would be quite nice). We are dealing with all sorts and qualities of people, from many different backgrounds, and it's not unusual for personality clashes, power struggles, and personal drama to infiltrate the areas where professional ethics and courtesy should be the standard.

Jealousy is also a big part of the problem. Those who enter the field to make a name for themselves, or for the sole purpose of making money, are quick to criticize those who work hard, pay their dues, and become well known in the process. Hell, that's true with most any field, LOL! Dealing with success is not easy; dealing with the success OF OTHERS is even harder.

"Paranormal" TV shows don't help the situation. Wannabee paranormal investigators, researchers, authors, radio hosts, etc. jump right into the field so they can be like their TV heroes, only to experience major disappointment or personal injury. There is a big difference between studying aerodynamics and jumping off one's roof in order to "fly like Superman on TV."

Also, there is a "worship" kind of mentality involved with TV shows. Unsuspecting, would-be paranormalists see these investigators on TV and automatically assume they are the best investigators in the field. Being young and handsome doesn't make one any more of a researcher than jumping off a roof make one Superman. The best researchers and investigators I've ever known (since I began, in 1978) have never had their own TV shows or spoke at 20+ paranormal conventions every single year, simply because they don't have the time; they are too busy researching and investigating.

Dan, your blog is spot on, and I agree with you 100%. On another, sad note, I don't think our field will ever improve; we just have to deal with it and forge ahead, always doing the right thing.

Thanks,

Pat Fitzhugh
www.bellwitch.org
Reply Rick
5:57 PM on November 2, 2009 
Will County GHS and Dan Jungles. I don't know how I ever came to receive your emails but since I received this BLOG link, I will offer a few words. FIRST I have only had to ghost hunt for one year to be able to validate that GHOST HUNTERS are a fairly odd group of people. I am ODD too, I just didn;t hunt ghosts prior. SECOND, it is sad that people in different groups do have such a competive nature with regard to BEST EVIDENCE etc, as it is hard enough to get ANY .... hours of sitting in the dark for little reward. THIRD the cable tv ghost show phenomena has affected hose who like to be entertained so much that they now think they are the EXPERTS and MANNERS are a rare trait in any adults nowadays..... CIVILITY is DEAD. LASTLY I ghost hunt for fun, but I come with a career of 30 years in environmental science. I tend to be respectful, and I conduct myself in a manner I hope others find professional. That is by personal desire. I HOPE the WORDS in this BLOG and the COMMENTS are read and have the affect to change how some people behave. I want to have more opportunities to experience ghosts and the paranormal, and I know those who contributed here do as well. www.youtube.com/rhsparanormal ,,,,,
Reply JJ
3:20 PM on November 2, 2009 
Dan, you nailed it on the head! Only being in this field for just about a year I have witnessed and heard about the complete ignorance and lack of respect to other local groups either just getting started or already established. The cattiness is just mind blowing. They do and will continue to give this field a bad name if they can not grow up! If these individuals have enough time to piss and moan about what other groups are doing then they need to find something else to occupy thier time, like nitting. I hear that is a great past time, LOL. Seriously though, all the "Real Professional" groups out there are doing this for one reason.....to help people and to make them understand what the experiences may or may not be. WCGHS is just that sort of group. And to you groups out there who try to mock, disrespect, antagonize, and just plain irritate other groups just to spite them, you need to just dissapear like a ghost, whom you'll never see since you are who you are, and leave this field to the "TRUE" Professionals.
Reply ghosthunter
3:09 PM on November 2, 2009 
Wow . what drama. dont people have better things to do? rather than pick on people they are jealous of? they need to tend to their own shops and leave WCGHS alone

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